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It is ungodly for any pastor to claim God anointed him to be Nigeria’s president – Apostle Williams
by Seyi John Salau
February 25, 2018 | 2:52 am| | | Start Conversation
Apostle Alfred Williams, General Overseer of United Kingdom-based Christ Faith Tabernacle, visited Nigeria for a leadership conference in a branch of the church in Ogba, Lagos. During the visit, Apostle Williams shared with Seyi John Salau his views on the church in Nigeria and why it is not right for preachers to seek political office. Excerpts:
Are you comfortable with the things happening around the church in Nigeria?
No, I am not. I prayed one day that I wanted to die and I told my church for three months that I was going. In the third month, one of my church members came to me, held my leg and said, ‘Don’t say that again because God will grant it and we don’t want you to go.’ Why was I praying to die? I looked at all the people we started together, they have all denied God. Anytime I talk about it, it moves me to tears. Somebody who has laboured must not end up in hell. They don’t have record with God anymore. God doesn’t know them anymore, though Nigeria hails them. Their names have been taken away from the book of life. Jesus said, ‘If anybody misleads youths, it’s better for him not to be born.’ I see my friends on the highway to hell. They call them fathers in Nigeria, but they have lost eternity. I can’t help them because they will not listen. But God told me he will judge them from this year, bitter judgment. In the church there will be humiliation. God will turn his back against people. God will strike them and their churches will be empty. There will be hunger. Those who really want God will look for the truth. There are people who preach the truth in Nigeria, they are not known because they will not lie. If you want church to grow, if you lie about demons, people will come – the same thing babalawo (native doctor) used to do. My father was a wizard priest. The same principle that they do in wizardry, the churches are using it. That is, you make your clients believe that you are the only one who has power and solution and they don’t. That is not Christianity. Jesus said, ‘The things I do, you can do.’ In Mark 16:17, he says, ‘These signs will follow all of you who believe: in my name you will cast out devils.’ Every Christian can cast out devil and heal the sick. In my ministry, God has raised nine dead bodies. I was in Benin Republic last December, a woman who was bent for over 30 years, God healed her before my members. I tell my members, ‘If God can do any miracle through me, he will do through you too.’ I tell them to pray for the blind, they will pray for the blind and the blind will see. How can a father say that the children cannot do what he is doing? That father will answer before God. Let me tell you this, a wind will blow in Nigeria, the wind of judgment of God, the nakedness of many will be exposed in a short time, and God will turn the hearts of people against them. Some of them will be lynched by their people. Many will leave all these gathering of lies and convocation of sinners and they will look for God.
Can you imagine a minister standing before people and saying God is telling him that this number of people should give a particular amount? Is God a beggar? Did he say that in the bible? God is interested in your problem and solving it, he does not have a need that he will tell you. All those are gimmicks and manipulations. Another thing they do now is to go and put money on the altar. That came from Satanism. When you go to a Satanist, they will tell you to put money on the ground. Some occult ministers brought this practice to the church from America and, unfortunately, Nigerian ministers embraced it like madness. Every time they put offering on the altar, God departs from that church because God says, “If I am God, where is my honour?’ If you want to give your father money, can you go and drop it on the floor and tell your father to pick it up? God said that they are collecting the money for themselves and they are signing agreement with Lucifer. So, there is a lot going on in Nigeria. If you think about it, you will just like to finish your work and leave. But God will judge Nigeria as a nation beginning from the church, not the government. Mark my words. The church will be judged, and then the government will be judged.
What is your position on the faith element – use of mantle, oil, and other such things?
All those things are ungodly. I am teaching ministers now regarding these stuffs. Anything a minister can present before people which can become the source to hear prayer or to draw power is idol worshipping, which was the sin of Aaron. Nigeria has the most uneducated pulpit runners. When I say uneducated, I do not mean academic. An illiterate man can be educated while an academic is not educated. By uneducated, I mean they are uninformed about God. The churches of Nigeria, the Pentecostal churches especially, are the most unregulated institutions in the world. So, anybody can just come today and say he is bishop this and that is it. Who regulates him? Who ordained him? And if you give offering to some big fathers, once they give you credence, a criminal can become a minister. Those are the issues.
You have been in the ministry for a while now, are there things you had to unlearn as a minister of the gospel?
One of the things I had to unlearn is dogma. I will tell you issues like things we were raised with, issues like you cannot divorce. When my knowledge increased, I discovered that the scripture did not really say that. But in the area of doctrine, there is nothing to unlearn because my doctrine is verbatim as written in the scriptures. And also my affiliation in England changed my concept about women, how women should be treated which doesn’t exist in Nigeria; how wives should be treated in the family, which some of the cultures in Nigeria are assassinating. The culture in England, the good part of it has retuned my mind. Also in the way we look at sinners. In those days when we were in Scripture Union (SU), we say if you sin you will go to hell. I recognise that when people sin, we should not send them to hell, but we should show them way out and reconcile them.
What is your message to the body of Christ?
My message to the body of Christ is in 2 Chronicles 7:14, which says, ‘If my people that are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and repent from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and I will heal their land.’ So, the healing of Nigeria is in the hands of God’s people. It will happen only when God’s people repent and then seek God for mercy. Let me say this: I heard that some people are prescribing that you take helicopter and go up to pray over some principalities, all that is nonsense. I have seen demons. I have been taken to heaven more than 14 times. I have seen Jesus several times and I wrote a book about my encounter with the Lord. You cannot trade anything against repentance. The soul that sinneth shall die. The people of God in Nigeria need to know the true God, who Christ really is. The ministers of God in Nigeria must change their message to righteousness and live the life of righteousness. And when that happens and God’s people in Nigeria pray, you will see the mercy of God from heaven that will transform the whole of this nation. Nigeria has a future and righteousness is the only way we can get there.
What is your stand on preachers eyeing political offices in Nigeria?
A minister of God has a higher office than president of a nation. It is ungodly for a minister of God to mention that God said he will be a president. When God ordained in the Bible, he ordained the king and he ordained the priest over him. Prophet is over the king and the office of kingship is the same office of parliamentary system; they live by the vote of the people. If any minister says God said he should be the president of this country, I can tell you and tell this nation that that minister is a liar, he did not hear God.
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